Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

01/31/2008 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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01:44:10 PM HB310
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      January 31, 2008                                                                                          
                         1:41 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:41:29 PM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Mary Nelson                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Thomas Jr.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bert   Stedman;  Senator   Charlie  Huggins;   Karen                                                                   
Rehfeld,  Director, Office  of  Management  and Budget;  Joan                                                                   
Brown,   Chief  Budget   Analyst,   Office   of  Budget   and                                                                   
Management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 310    "An  Act making  appropriations  for the  operating                                                                   
          and loan program expenses  of state government, for                                                                   
          certain programs,  and to capitalize  funds; making                                                                   
          supplemental     appropriations;     and     making                                                                   
          appropriations   under  art.  IX,   section  17(c),                                                                   
          Constitution of the  State of Alaska; and providing                                                                   
          for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 310 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 312    "An  Act making  appropriations  for the  operating                                                                   
          and  capital  expenses  of the  state's  integrated                                                                   
          comprehensive mental  health program; and providing                                                                   
          for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 312 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 310                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations  for  the operating  and                                                                   
     loan program  expenses of state government,  for certain                                                                   
     programs, and  to capitalize funds;  making supplemental                                                                   
     appropriations;  and  making appropriations  under  art.                                                                   
     IX, section 17(c), Constitution  of the State of Alaska;                                                                   
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  REHFELD, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND  BUDGET                                                                   
reviewed the  language section  of House Bill  310, beginning                                                                   
on page 43.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  began with  Section  4,  which deals  with  the                                                                   
Alaska Aerospace  Development  Corporation (AADC).  She noted                                                                   
the request  is intended to maximize  the ability of  AADC to                                                                   
attract launch activity.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld discussed  Section 5, the Alaska  Housing Finance                                                                   
Corporation  (AHFC).  The  section specifies  the  amount  of                                                                   
corporate  receipts  available  to  the  State  as  the  2009                                                                   
dividend payment,  and the  dispossession of those  proceeds.                                                                   
The Governor  is proposing  to allocate  the funds  for: AHFC                                                                   
debt  service, $11.8  million  for the  Debt Retirement  Fund                                                                   
capitalization, and $47.9 million for capital projects.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  thought the dividends  should be used  for in                                                                   
the  capital budget  instead  of  the operating  budget.  Ms.                                                                   
Rehfeld observed  that the conversation would  continue about                                                                   
whether or  not the debt  service capitalization  should come                                                                   
from general funds.  The Administration chose to  put some of                                                                   
the  dividends  towards  paying  down  previous  obligations,                                                                   
which is  a priority.  The proposal  also puts some  dividend                                                                   
money towards the capital budget.  Co-Chair Meyer pointed out                                                                   
that the  dividends fluctuate  year to  year and thought  the                                                                   
State  should be  using the  General Fund.  He preferred  the                                                                   
flexibility of using the dividends in the capital budget.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  for clarification  about how  the                                                                   
AHFC dividend  is calculated and  wanted to know how  much it                                                                   
has been the past few years.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOAN  BROWN,  CHIEF  BUDGET ANALYST,  OFFICE  OF  BUDGET  AND                                                                   
MANAGEMENT,  noted that  the FY  08 dividend  was around  $85                                                                   
million.  The  amount  has varied.  Before  the  statute  was                                                                   
changed the dividend had been  around $1.3 million; after the                                                                   
change to  75% of  the net income,  the amount has  gradually                                                                   
been  reduced.  Representative Gara  asked  how  much of  the                                                                   
dividend  went into  the Capital  Income Fund  in FY 08.  Ms.                                                                   
Brown said she would get him that information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 1:49:02 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Gara  observed  that  AHFC is  charged  with                                                                   
 providing  low and moderate  income housing and  wondered if                                                                   
 those costs  come out of the dividend. He  wondered if there                                                                   
 were  policy  as  to  how  much AHFC  uses  to  provide  the                                                                   
 service.  Ms.  Rehfeld  thought  Mr. Fauske,  the  Executive                                                                   
 Director of AHFC, would have that information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 1:49:50 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Meyer clarified that the Capital  Income Fund does                                                                   
 not have permanent fund earnings in it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault, referring to Section 5,  subsection (c),                                                                   
 noted he  had concerns about affecting rates  by using bonds                                                                   
 for repayment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 1:51:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  turned  to  Section  6,  which  addresses  the                                                                   
 Alaska  Industrial Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA)                                                                   
 dividend.  The amount available  in FY 08 is  $23.8 million.                                                                   
 The Governor  is proposing to utilize the  funds in the Debt                                                                   
 Retirement Fund.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Meyer reiterated his argument in  support of using                                                                   
 the  dividend in the  capital budget.  He did not  think the                                                                   
 State  used dividends for debt  retirement in FY  07 but put                                                                   
 it in the Capital Income Fund. Ms. Rehfeld agreed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 1:53:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  clarified that  the  Debt Retirement  Fund  is                                                                   
 capitalized  with   general  fund  money  and  a  number  of                                                                   
 different  funding sources;  the Fund  is then  used to  pay                                                                   
 the  State's annual  debt obligations,  such as school  debt                                                                   
 reimbursement.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault wondered  if it would  make sense  to pay                                                                   
 for  fund  debt  reimbursement  out of  the  capital  budget                                                                   
 instead of out of the operating budget.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 1:54:23 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  addressed Section 7, the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                   
 Corporation,  which  appropriates  funds from  the  earnings                                                                   
 reserve  to the dividend fund  for the payment  of permanent                                                                   
 fund  dividends  and  administrative and  associated  costs.                                                                   
 There is  funding in Section 1 for the  Division's operating                                                                   
 costs, inflation proofing, and the dividend fund amounts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 1:55:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Gara  asked  for  clarification   regarding                                                                   
 amounts  in Section  7. Ms. Rehfeld  enumerated the  amounts                                                                   
 transferred  for inflation proofing and to  pay the dividend                                                                   
 checks:  $1.357 billion for  dividends and $803  million for                                                                   
 inflation proofing would be transferred.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 1:57:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld turned  to Section 8,  the Alaska Student  Loan                                                                   
 Corporation  Dividend. The Corporation expects  $4.1 million                                                                   
 to  be available for FY  09. The Governor's  budget proposes                                                                   
 to  appropriate  the  dividend  to  several  places  in  the                                                                   
 operating   budget,  such   as  $2.5   million  for   Alaska                                                                   
 Advantage  Education  Grants  and  several programs  in  the                                                                   
 Department of Education.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Meyer reiterated his  argument concerning  the use                                                                   
 of dividends in the operating budget.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 1:58:46 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.   Rehfeld  described  Section   9,  the   Department  of                                                                   
 Administration,   which  appropriates  for  the  catastrophe                                                                   
 reserve account.  The statute allows up to  $5 million to be                                                                   
 swept  from lapsing  general fund  appropriations into  this                                                                   
 account.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 1:59:46 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  turned   to  Section  10,  the  Department  of                                                                   
 Commerce,   Community,  and  Economic   Development  (DCED).                                                                   
 Subsection  (a) has  to do with  the national forest  income                                                                   
 that  comes to DCED for  communities within  the unorganized                                                                   
 boroughs.  Seventy-five percent  of the  amount can  be used                                                                   
 for public schools and 25% for road maintenance.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Subsection  (b)  covers  salmon enhancement  tax  collected.                                                                   
 Subsection  (c) has to do  with the seafood  development tax                                                                   
 collected   and   passed   through  to   qualified   seafood                                                                   
 development associations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 2:01:18 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld described Section  11, Department  of Education                                                                   
 and  Early  Development,   as  a  departure  from  what  the                                                                   
 Committee  has seen in  previous years. Subsections  (a) and                                                                   
 (b) reflect  the Governor's proposal to put FY  08 and FY 09                                                                   
 surplus  into  the  Public Education  Fund.  Subsection  (c)                                                                   
 contains  language having  to do  with the amount  necessary                                                                   
 to  pay school performance  incentive bonuses if  the amount                                                                   
 exceeds  the  $2.5  million currently  appropriated  in  the                                                                   
 budget.  The amount of the  bonus is based on the  number of                                                                   
 schools and staff qualified to receive it.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair   Meyer  said  the  school   performance  incentive                                                                   
 program,  which the previous  Commissioner supported,  is in                                                                   
 year  two of a  three-year pilot. He  wondered if  there was                                                                   
 an  upper   limit  on  the  amount  budgeted.   Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                   
 explained  that  no  more  than 850  certified  staff  could                                                                   
 receive the  bonus; she did not have the  dollar amount. Co-                                                                   
 Chair Meyer  stated his concern about the  open-ended nature                                                                   
 of the item.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 2:03:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault  wondered if  the proposal  should be  in                                                                   
 the  number  section  and  not  the  language  section.  Ms.                                                                   
 Rehfeld  said  there is  an  appropriation  of $2.5  million                                                                   
 under  the  numbers section.  Part of  the  dilemma is  that                                                                   
 eligibility  for the bonus cannot be calculated  until after                                                                   
 spring  testing,  which  is late  in  the budget  year.  The                                                                   
 language  section  allows  more flexibility  to  appropriate                                                                   
 additional  funding before the  next supplemental  cycle, if                                                                   
 the budgeted $2.5 million is not sufficient.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 2:05:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman  referred to  Section  11, subsection  (b),                                                                   
 regarding  forward funding education. He had  concerns about                                                                   
 the  dollar  amount and  the mechanics  of  where the  money                                                                   
 would   come  from.   He   hoped  the   language  could   be                                                                   
 streamlined  to  make  it  clearer.  Ms.  Rehfeld  said  the                                                                   
 Administration's   goal  is   to  provide  opportunity   for                                                                   
 forward funding through a three-year plan.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:07:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld continued  with Section  12, Retirement  System                                                                   
 Funding.  She  highlighted  the  amount  the  Administration                                                                   
 proposes  to  put into  the  FY 09  direct  deposit for  the                                                                   
 Public  Employee Retirement  System and Teachers  Retirement                                                                   
 System (PERS/TRS).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 2:08:42 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Senator   Stedman  observed  concerns  regarding   the  $450                                                                   
 million  appropriation  to  PERS  in  lieu  of  an  on-going                                                                   
 contribution.  He  said the  Legislature  would continue  to                                                                   
 work on the pension obligation bond.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld pointed  out  a correction  in subsection  (d).                                                                   
 The rate included is 14.48%; the rate should read 13.72%.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Hawker spoke to  the issue of  resolving the                                                                   
 retirement  system accounts.  He wondered  about using  some                                                                   
 of the  large cash inflow to the State  to more aggressively                                                                   
 pay   off  the   money   owed.  Ms.   Rehfeld  referred   to                                                                   
 discussions  concerning how much the State  could put toward                                                                   
 the  debt  to pay  it  off earlier.  The  concern is  having                                                                   
 enough  money to put into  savings in order to  manage costs                                                                   
 over time without going into the earnings reserve.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 2:13:06 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Hawker  argued  for  an  expansion  of  the                                                                   
 annual budget  review to a ten-year budget  overview. He did                                                                   
 not  agree   with  the  Administration's  proposal   in  the                                                                   
 budget,  but  felt   that  agreement  could  be  reached  by                                                                   
 looking  at the  issues over  a longer  period of time.  Ms.                                                                   
 Rehfeld agreed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair   Chenault   mentioned   conversations   with   the                                                                   
 Department  of Military  and Veterans  Affairs (DMVA)  which                                                                   
 has   an  appropriation  in   Section  1  that   deals  with                                                                   
 retirement.  He  thought  that  appropriation should  be  in                                                                   
 Section 12 instead.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 2:14:34 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  moved  on to  Section  13, the  Department  of                                                                   
 Labor  and Workforce Development.  Subsection (a) has  to do                                                                   
 with  payments  from the  fishermen's  fund; subsection  (b)                                                                   
 deals  with  the  second  injury fund;  and  subsection  (c)                                                                   
 addresses   the  workers'  compensation   benefits  guaranty                                                                   
 fund.  These  sections  allow  the benefit  payments  to  go                                                                   
 forward; no additional cost is expected.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 2:15:24 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  anticipated  that Section  14,  appropriations                                                                   
 for  the Department of  Law (LAW), would elicit  discussion.                                                                   
 The  Administration proposes  a multi-year appropriation  of                                                                   
 $9.6  million from the Alaska  Capital Income Fund  for work                                                                   
 related  to the  gas pipeline  and to  bringing North  Slope                                                                   
 natural  gas to market, and  to other oil and  gas projects,                                                                   
 for  the  fiscal years  ending  June 30,  2009 and  June 30,                                                                   
 2010.  She thought  there might be  interest in trading  the                                                                   
 capital  income fund  appropriation out  with general  funds                                                                   
 or  putting  it  into  the numbers  section  as  a  one-year                                                                   
 appropriation.  She  said  coming  up with  the  appropriate                                                                   
 number  to include in the  section is difficult  and thought                                                                   
 that   discussion   would  take   place   with  LAW   during                                                                   
 subcommittee work.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Meyer reiterated  his concerns  about the  capital                                                                   
 budget  and wondered  whether  general fund  money could  be                                                                   
 used.  Ms.  Rehfeld responded  that  the Administration  saw                                                                   
 this as an appropriate use of general funds.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman  asked for  historic  expenditures for  the                                                                   
 gas  pipeline  over the  past three  years.  He pointed  out                                                                   
 that  last year  the Legislature  was  amenable to  whatever                                                                   
 cash-flow  the Administration felt they needed  to deal with                                                                   
 the issue,  but he wanted to be able to keep  track of those                                                                   
 costs. Ms. Rehfeld agreed to provide the information.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 2:18:26 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld described  Section 15  as a standard  provision                                                                   
 for the  Department of Military and Veterans'  Affairs. Five                                                                   
 percent  of  the  market   value  of  the  Alaska  Veterans'                                                                   
 Memorial  Endowment  Fund,  expected  to be  about  $12,400,                                                                   
 will be used for maintenance repair of military monuments.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  moved to  Section  16, Department  of  Natural                                                                   
 Resources,  regarding about $2  million in federal  receipts                                                                   
 received for fire suppression.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Joule  asked  whether  the  number  was  an                                                                   
 annual estimate. Ms. Rehfeld said yes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 2:20:10 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  turned to Section 17, the Department  of Public                                                                   
 Safety  (DPS), which  includes the sum  of $1.4 million  for                                                                   
 the  Division  of  Alaska  State  Troopers'  narcotics  task                                                                   
 force.  Subsection  (b)  explains  that  if DPS  receives  a                                                                   
 certain   amount  of  federal   funds,  the   difference  is                                                                   
 reduced.  Co-Chair  Chenault  clarified  that DPS  does  not                                                                   
 know from year to year if they receive federal money.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Gara  wondered   whether  the   amount  was                                                                   
 inflation  adjusted and asked  for clarification.  Ms. Brown                                                                   
 said  the dollar amount remains  the same year to  year. The                                                                   
 number  does not change in  the language section,  but there                                                                   
 is  an appropriation  in Section  1 for  the narcotics  task                                                                   
 force.  She  said she  would  get Representative  Gara  more                                                                   
 information regarding inflation adjustment of the funds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 2:22:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld presented  Section 18,  Department of  Revenue.                                                                   
 Subsection  (a) concerns  the program  receipts received  by                                                                   
 the  child support  services agency.  Subsection (b)  has to                                                                   
 do  with  cost  recovery  for  paternity  testing.  Co-Chair                                                                   
 Chenault  wondered how  many paternity  tests are  done each                                                                   
 year. Ms. Rehfeld said she would find out.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:23:29 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.   Rehfeld   described    Section   19,   Department   of                                                                   
 Transportation  and  Public  Facilities,  as a  new  section                                                                   
 allowing   for  the  appropriation   of  funds   from  fines                                                                   
 collected   in  "traffic  safety  corridors."   The  amount,                                                                   
 $44,300, is based on 50% of the collections from FY 07.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 2:24:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld   moved  on  to  Section  20,   Office  of  the                                                                   
 Governor,  which  deals with  fuel  adjustments. The  amount                                                                   
 allocated  in  recent years  was  $24 million.  The  current                                                                   
 budget  retains that  allocation, although  there will  need                                                                   
 to   be  conversations   about   whether   this  amount   is                                                                   
 sufficient  given oil prices. Co-Chair Chenault  stated that                                                                   
 he  would like to  adjust the numbers  to get closer  to the                                                                   
 real  cost of  fuel. Representative  Hawker expanded  on Co-                                                                   
 Chair Chenault's comment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 2:27:21 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.   Rehfeld   continued   with  Section   20,   addressing                                                                   
 subsection  (f),  Division  of  Elections  costs  associated                                                                   
 with   conducting   the   statewide  primary   and   general                                                                   
 elections  for  FY  09.  She  flagged three  pieces  in  the                                                                   
 supplemental  bill   related  to  election  year,  including                                                                   
 about  $76,000 for advance  printing of pamphlets  and extra                                                                   
 costs for processing petitions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 2:28:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  addressed  Section  21, University  of  Alaska                                                                   
 fees  collected  for  the  issuance  of  special  university                                                                   
 license  plates. Section  22 encompasses  Federal and  Other                                                                   
 Program  Receipts. Ms. Rehfeld  highlighted new  language in                                                                   
 the  section  regarding   the  AHFC  and  the  Ocean  Ranger                                                                   
 program receipts.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 2:29:56 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman voiced concern  that the revenue  collected                                                                   
 in  this section  didn't appear  to be  sufficient to  cover                                                                   
 the  program costs.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied that the  program,                                                                   
 the  Department   is  planning  on  implementing,   will  be                                                                   
 covered  by the receipts generated from  the program itself.                                                                   
 She  acknowledged  that putting  an  ocean  ranger on  every                                                                   
 vessel  would cost  an additional $1  million. She  said the                                                                   
 Department  plans  to  address  the  issue  without  seeking                                                                   
 additional   general  funds.  Senator  Stedman   wanted  the                                                                   
 language in the section clarified.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 2:31:24 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  went on to fund transfers in  Section 23, which                                                                   
 addresses  fund transfers related  to retirement  fund debt.                                                                   
 She  highlighted  the  $11.8  million  from  the  AHFC,  $13                                                                   
 million  for state-guaranteed  revenue bonds,  $23.8 million                                                                   
 from   the   Alaska   Industrial  Development   and   Export                                                                   
 Authority,  $71.4  million  from  the General  Fund,  $171.9                                                                   
 thousand  from the investment loss trust  fund, and $458,700                                                                   
 from investment earnings and several other transfers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault  wondered why  the  federal Help  America                                                                   
 Vote  Act in  subsection (b)  wouldn't be  a capital  budget                                                                   
 issue.  Ms. Brown explained  that the Help America  Vote Act                                                                   
 requires  that the funds  go into an  election fund,  and so                                                                   
 this  is the  capitalization piece  going into the  election                                                                   
 fund. The capital budget spins out of the election fund.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 2:34:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld  turned  to  subsection  (c),  the  power  cost                                                                   
 equalization  (PCE) fund.  Regarding the  PCE fund,  Senator                                                                   
 Stedman  asked about  differences in  budget amounts  in the                                                                   
 FY   08  and   FY   09  budgets.   Ms.   Rehfeld  said   the                                                                   
 Administration  is working with the Alaska  Energy Authority                                                                   
 (AEA)  and  at  this   point  does  not  anticipate  needing                                                                   
 additional  funding in  FY 09.  Senator Stedman  went on  to                                                                   
 say  the  PCE fund  has  a payoff  of  about seven  percent,                                                                   
 which is  too high to maintain purchasing  power. He thought                                                                   
 the  Legislature will need to  figure out how to  lower that                                                                   
 payout  down or risk the  slow erosion of  purchasing power.                                                                   
 Co-Chair  Chenault agreed the  issue needed to  be addressed                                                                   
 and suggested,  as an alternative, that the  Legislature add                                                                   
 more money to the fund to secure the seven percent payoff.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:37:41 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld explained  that subsections  (d), (e),  and (f)                                                                   
 have to  do with the National Petroleum  reserve. Subsection                                                                   
 (g)  has to do  with revenue  collected and appropriated  to                                                                   
 the  fish and game fund  under various revenue  generated by                                                                   
 licenses  and fees.  Co-Chair  Chenault wondered,  regarding                                                                   
 range  fees,  how many  shooting  ranges  the Department  of                                                                   
 Fish and Game managed. Ms. Rehfeld thought three.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 2:39:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman commented that  the Legislature  had worked                                                                   
 on getting  the ranges out  of the Fish and Game  budget but                                                                   
 the  item  was  pulled by  the  Governor.  He called  for  a                                                                   
 discussion  on how the  Administration views the  ranges and                                                                   
 hoped  to come to  an agreement on  how to handle  them. Ms.                                                                   
 Rehfeld agreed  and said the Department has  been working on                                                                   
 the issue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:40:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld turned to  subsection (h), relating  to amounts                                                                   
 appropriated  to  the oil  and hazardous  substance  release                                                                   
 prevention  account.   Co-Chair  Meyer  referred  to  intent                                                                   
 language  the previous year to charge back  agencies for the                                                                   
 cleanup  rather than automatically  taking money out  of the                                                                   
 fund.  The fund  is being depleted  as production  declines.                                                                   
 In  addition,  most  of  the  spills  are  caused  by  state                                                                   
 agencies.  There   is  no  incentive  for  the  agencies  to                                                                   
 prevent  spills. Co-Chair Meyer  thought charge  backs would                                                                   
 provide incentive.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 2:43:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld explained  subsection (j),  fees collected  for                                                                   
 the Alaska  Children's Trust. Subsection (k)  has to do with                                                                   
 the   loan  origination   fees  collected   by  the   Alaska                                                                   
 Commission  on Post-Secondary Education. Those  fees go back                                                                   
 into  the origination  fee account  and are  used to  offset                                                                   
 loss  when people  cannot repay  their loans  due to  death,                                                                   
 disability   or  bankruptcy.  Subsection   (l)  appropriates                                                                   
 approximately  $9 million in  federal receipts  for disaster                                                                   
 relief funds.  Subsection (m) is a $7  million appropriation                                                                   
 from  the   general  fund  to  the  disaster   relief  fund.                                                                   
 Subsection  (n)  deals  with  mine  reclamation  trust  fund                                                                   
 accounts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 2:45:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Joule  asked how  much the  State spends  on                                                                   
 disaster  relief.  He wondered  if  appropriating funds  for                                                                   
 disaster  prevention, such as  erosion prevention,  might be                                                                   
 more  effective. Senator  Thomas wanted  to see the  amounts                                                                   
 for  relief  spent after  a flood  in  Cordova. Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                   
 said she would get the information.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 2:48:18 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Joule pointed out that currently,  the State                                                                   
 is  authorized  to  react,  but  he wondered  if  there  was                                                                   
 another  mechanism  that  could  focus  on  prevention.  Ms.                                                                   
 Rehfeld referred  to the work being done by  the Division of                                                                   
 Community  and  Regional   Affairs.  The  Administration  is                                                                   
 proposing  in the supplemental  to make funds  available for                                                                   
 communities  that are  threatened by  erosion. She  referred                                                                   
 to  a  number  of  agencies  dealing  with  prevention,  but                                                                   
 emphasized  that  the  question was  how  best to  fund  and                                                                   
 coordinate those efforts.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  continued through subsections  that are largely                                                                   
 standard  and familiar. She highlighted subsection  (s) as a                                                                   
 new  one which proposes  to put $2.5  million of  the Alaska                                                                   
 Student  Loan Corporation dividend  into the  education loan                                                                   
 fund  for the  Alaska Advantage  Grants to fund  needs-based                                                                   
 grants.  She explained  that there  had not previously  been                                                                   
 general funds in the fund.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 2:52:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Meyer wanted to know  what the overall  vision was                                                                   
 for  the program. He asked  if the money would be  asked for                                                                   
 every  year.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied  that the  Administration                                                                   
 hoped  to  create an  endowment that  would  make the  funds                                                                   
 available  on-going in order to help low-income  people stay                                                                   
 in  school. Co-Chair Meyer  thought if the proposal  were an                                                                   
 on-going  program,  it should  be an  operating budget  item                                                                   
 and  more appropriately  funded with  the general  fund than                                                                   
 with dividends.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 2:54:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Thomas asked for a cost  benefit analysis of                                                                   
 what  the State spends on  other services for people  who do                                                                   
 not  get  education   benefits.  He  thought  not  providing                                                                   
 support  for people who wanted  an education might  cost the                                                                   
 State  in  other  ways.  Ms.  Rehfeld  expected  the  Alaska                                                                   
 Commission   on  Post-Secondary   Education  could   provide                                                                   
 information  on trends regarding the benefits  of college or                                                                   
 training.  Representative  Gara pointed  out that Alaska  is                                                                   
 short  between  $3   and  $6  million  in  educational  aid,                                                                   
 according  to a  study  done by  the Board  of Trustees.  He                                                                   
 said  Alaska has  the second smallest  amount of  need-based                                                                   
 aid in the country.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 2:57:50 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld talked about  subsection (t), an  appropriation                                                                   
 of  $10  million  to the  municipal  Harbor  Facility  Grant                                                                   
 Fund,  to  capitalize the  fund. Co-Chair  Chenault  thought                                                                   
 this should be moved to the capital budget.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  moved to subsection (u), the  appropriation for                                                                   
 the   Alaska  sport   fishing   enterprise  account,   money                                                                   
 collected  through  the  sale  of sport  fish  licenses  and                                                                   
 deposited   into  the  bond  redemption  fund,   a  transfer                                                                   
 payment   for   debt   service   on   bonds   for   hatchery                                                                   
 construction.  Subsection (v) is also related  to the Alaska                                                                   
 sport  fishing enterprise  account, as  a reimbursement  for                                                                   
 the  federally allowable  portion of  the principal  balance                                                                   
 payment on the revenue bonds.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld described  subsection  (w) as the  oil and  gas                                                                   
 credit  fund and observed  that $200  million goes  into the                                                                   
 fund to facilitate payments of the individual refunds.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman made a suggestion about  how future budgets                                                                   
 could be more clearly presented to avoid confusion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  turned to subsection (x) which  appropriates $5                                                                   
 million  from the general  fund to the information  services                                                                   
 fund    to   support   information   technology    projects.                                                                   
 Subsection  (y)  transfers   $19  million  from  the  Alaska                                                                   
 Capital  Income Fund to the school construction  grant fund.                                                                   
 Subsection  (z)  transfers   nearly  $81  million  from  the                                                                   
 Alaska  Capital  Income  Fund  into  the  major  maintenance                                                                   
 grant  fund.  The  Governor   proposes  funding  one  school                                                                   
 construction   project   through   (y)  and   twenty   major                                                                   
 maintenance projects through (z).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Senator  Stedman asked  what  the Administration  envisioned                                                                   
 regarding   construction   and  maintenance   funding.   Ms.                                                                   
 Rehfeld  replied that  the  Governor would  like to  provide                                                                   
 some  amount of annual  funding toward district  facilities'                                                                   
 major maintenance needs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 3:01:49 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld   addressed  Section  24,   which  appropriates                                                                   
 claims  against  bonds  for  land  reclamation.  Section  25                                                                   
 allows  credit card  service providers  to retain  fees that                                                                   
 they charge for using credit cards for various services.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 3:03:45 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld  explained that Section 26 addresses  salary and                                                                   
 benefit  adjustments  for  state and  university  bargaining                                                                   
 units.  The number  section is meant  to cover these  costs,                                                                   
 [based  on  the  agreements  that have  been  reached];  the                                                                   
 language  section would  allow the  Administration to  bring                                                                   
 forward any additional collective bargaining agreements.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld highlighted new  language in Section  27, which                                                                   
 addresses   shared    taxes.   Subsection   (b)   allows   a                                                                   
 municipality  to assign their  payment under  subsection (a)                                                                   
 to  a  state agency.  For  example,  if a  municipality  was                                                                   
 going  to receive  an  amount under  the fisheries  business                                                                   
 tax,  but they owed the  Department of Administration  (DOA)                                                                   
 some  funding  under   the  retirement  system,  they  could                                                                   
 assign the payment to DOA.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair  Chenault asked for more information  on the cruise                                                                   
 ship  impact fund. Ms.  Rehfeld believed the  estimate under                                                                   
 the  vessel excise  tax is around  $46 million. About  $11.5                                                                   
 million of  that goes to the impact fund.  The Department of                                                                   
 Revenue  (DOR) has been charged with  developing regulations                                                                   
 to allocate  those funds in  a way that meets the  intent of                                                                   
 the   initiative  and   addresses  issues   of  concern   to                                                                   
 communities,  the cruise ship industry, the  Legislature and                                                                   
 the State.  DOR could provide information  to the Committee.                                                                   
 The  money  will stay  in the  account  until decisions  are                                                                   
 made.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 3:07:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld added  that the  DOR has  made payments  to the                                                                   
 first  five  ports  of  call,  amounting  to  less  than  $1                                                                   
 million.  Ms.  Rehfeld  and Committee  members  agreed  that                                                                   
 more discussion was needed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 3:09:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Ms.  Rehfeld addressed section  28 regarding State  debt and                                                                   
 other obligations.  She said there were few  changes in this                                                                   
 section and gave a general overview of the subsections.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 (a)  General funds to  pay interest on revenue  anticipation                                                                   
      notes that might be issued.                                                                                               
 (b)  Appropriates general  funds for principal  and interest                                                                   
      on state-guaranteed bonds.                                                                                                
 (c)  Appropriates $30,789,700  to the  state bond  committee                                                                   
      for payment of debt service and interest.                                                                                 
 (d)  Appropriates a  sum to the  state bond committee  for a                                                                   
      bond issue premium.                                                                                                       
 (e)  $13  to  the  state  bond  committee  related  to  debt                                                                   
     service on state-guaranteed transportation bonds.                                                                          
 (f)  More  to the  state  bond  committee  related  to  debt                                                                   
     service on state-guaranteed transportation bonds.                                                                          
 (g)  Appropriates $50  million to  the state bond  committee                                                                   
      for  payment  of  debt  service  and  trustee  fees  on                                                                   
      international airport revenue bonds.                                                                                      
 (h)  Appropriates $2 million  from interest earnings  of the                                                                   
      clean water fund to  the clean water fund  revenue bond                                                                   
      redemption fund.                                                                                                          
 (i)  Appropriates  $1,115,000  interest  earnings  from  the                                                                   
      drinking  water  fund  for  payment  of  principal  and                                                                   
      interest.                                                                                                                 
 (j)  Appropriates $8,061,300  from the Debt  Retirement Fund                                                                   
      to the  state  bond  committee  for fees  and  payments                                                                   
      relating to certificates of participation.                                                                                
 (k)  Appropriates $3,467,100  from the  general fund  to the                                                                   
      DOA for payment  of obligations  of AHFC  regarding the                                                                   
      Robert B. Atwood Building in Anchorage.                                                                                   
 (l)  Appropriates  $22,424,525 to  the  DOA  for FY  09  for                                                                   
      payment for  facilities including  the Anchorage  jail,                                                                   
      Spring  Creek   Correctional  Center,   Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                                   
      Correctional   Center    and   the   Point    MacKenzie                                                                   
      Correctional Center.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Representative    Hawker   thought    the   Department    of                                                                   
 Corrections  would  not move  ahead  on  the Port  MacKenzie                                                                   
 project  at this time.  Ms. Rehfeld said the  Administration                                                                   
 has been  working closely with the Department  regarding the                                                                   
 project  and  the  Administration  will make  amendments  as                                                                   
 needed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 3:15:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 (m)  Appropriates  $3.3 million  for  the Anchorage  parking                                                                   
      garage.                                                                                                                   
 (n)  Appropriates   $97,021,161   for  the   Department   of                                                                   
      Education  and Early  Development  for  cost of  school                                                                   
      construction under the debt reimbursement program.                                                                        
 (o)  Appropriates $8 million  to various state  agencies for                                                                   
      reimbursement for authorized projects.                                                                                    
 (p)  Appropriates  $7.5 million  from  the  Alaska Fish  and                                                                   
      Game revenue  bond redemption  fund to  the state  bond                                                                   
      committee. This  is the  majority of  the surcharge  on                                                                   
      sport   fish   licenses   previously   authorized   and                                                                   
      transferred into  the bond  redemption fund, a  payment                                                                   
      for debt  service  on  the  bonds issued  for  hatchery                                                                   
      development.                                                                                                              
 (q)  Appropriates $2 million  from the general fund  for the                                                                   
      Kodiak jail.                                                                                                              
 (r)  Appropriates $4.5 million from the  general fund to the                                                                   
      Department of Education regarding  payments for "master                                                                   
      lease line of credit" for debt service.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 3:18:06 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
 Representative   Hawker    emphasized   that    Section   28                                                                   
 illustrates  that  the State  needs  a  ten-year  vision  to                                                                   
 provide a context  in which such  large numbers  make sense.                                                                   
 Representative  Kelly  agreed  and  thought  that  something                                                                   
 needed to be done before the State moves  out of the surplus                                                                   
 funds.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld moved to Section 29, language  having to do with                                                                   
 the constitutional  budget reserve  (CBR) fund.  Subsections                                                                   
 (c)  and   (d)  are   based  on  the   dollar  amounts   the                                                                   
 Administration anticipated  would go  to the  CBR after  the                                                                   
 other savings and investments were taken care of.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault  wondered if leap  year had  been factored                                                                   
 in, which amounts to  around $15 million for one  added day.                                                                   
 Ms.  Rehfeld   said   leap   year   had  been   taken   into                                                                   
 consideration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld explained that the remaining  sections deal with                                                                   
 effective dates and lapse.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 HB  310  was  heard  and  HELD  in   Committee  for  further                                                                   
 consideration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 312                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations  for  the operating  and                                                                   
     capital    expenses    of   the    state's    integrated                                                                   
     comprehensive mental  health program; and  providing for                                                                   
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Rehfeld addressed  the language  sections on  House Bill                                                                   
 312,  found  on  page   11  of  the  bill.  Section   7  has                                                                   
 Legislative  Budget  and Analysis  language  and  section  8                                                                   
 deals with salary and adjustments in the  same manner as the                                                                   
 operating bill in section 26.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Chenault recognized the process  would not be easy,                                                                   
 but was hopeful that the Legislature  and the Governor could                                                                   
 come to agreement on the budget.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 HB  312  was  heard  and  HELD  in   Committee  for  further                                                                   
 consideration.                                                                                                                 
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 The meeting was adjourned at 3:28 PM.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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